View Full Version : Poll: Should UNaudio be linked so old users can find it?
Sargasm
10-13-2009, 10:14 AM
Hey everyone.
I was just curious what the community thought would be best since we frequent the sites and probably have some interest in how things are done.
So... yeah how do you think all this split up should be handled?
rolfmonster
10-13-2009, 10:15 AM
Great idea, lets find out from all the people that actually donated to the original unnet
uhhh, dude, at least add an option to have unnet.net point to the original site :lol:
Sargasm
10-13-2009, 10:18 AM
I guess I missed the possible option of all old links going to UNaudio, but I don't think that would fly in any case.
Bareknuckle Cage Fighting ala Van Damme in Kickboxer. The contestants wrap their hands in hemp rope, coat the rope with resin, and then dip their hands in broken glass to make their hands deadly weapons!
Sargasm
10-13-2009, 10:20 AM
Bareknuckle Cage Fighting ala Van Damme in Kickboxer. The contestants wrap their hands in hemp rope, coat the rope with resin, and then dip their hands in broken glass to make their hands deadly weapons!
This sounds completely reasonable. But... can we have them fight in a thunderdome?
rolfmonster
10-13-2009, 10:20 AM
Bareknuckle Cage Fighting ala Van Damme in Kickboxer. The contestants wrap their hands in hemp rope, coat the rope with resin, and then dip their hands in broken glass to make their hands deadly weapons!
This is the best option yet!
Xplicit
10-13-2009, 10:26 AM
I think the battle between the galactic empire and the rebel alliance should wage on j/k ;)
DMinus
10-13-2009, 10:28 AM
4 days remaining.
rolfmonster
10-13-2009, 10:28 AM
4 days remaining.
:lol:
How about everything points here and there is a sticky that explains where to go for the old site?
This sounds completely reasonable. But... can we have them fight in a thunderdome?
No. Must be fought on a canvas mat that's elevated @ 1' in the air, with the sides tilted up at a 30 deg angle.
Erik Mitchell
10-13-2009, 10:42 AM
I vote for hot lesbo action
rolfmonster
10-13-2009, 10:44 AM
I vote for hot lesbo action
:rip:My old vote
I'm with Erik!
I vote for hot lesbo action
ME TOO.
DMinus
10-13-2009, 10:46 AM
i believe you continue to mistake yourself as having a say.
rolfmonster
10-13-2009, 10:47 AM
i believe you continue to mistake yourself as having a say.
haha by you, you mean everybody that didn't have a say? Its just a poll of what the people that use this site daily think dude.
Maybe you're biased because you're hosted on the same server as the new site? :lol:
unnet doesn't die, it multiplies.
rolfmonster
10-13-2009, 10:51 AM
unnet doesn't die, it multiplies.
hahaha
unnet.net
unnet2.net
2nnet.net
sidewaysfive.net
unaudio.com
Brandon
10-13-2009, 10:53 AM
WTF is 'unaudio'? I feel so outta the loop.
Fuck it, everyone just roll over to dmb.
THERE! I SAID IT!
Sharpshooter
10-13-2009, 10:58 AM
Fuck it, everyone just roll over to dmb.
THERE! I SAID IT!
OH NOEZ ADS!!!!
rolfmonster
10-13-2009, 10:58 AM
Fuck it, everyone just roll over to dmb.
THERE! I SAID IT!
hahahaha dmb hates you boda
OH NOEZ ADS!!!!
DA AIDZ? U GOT DA PIGAIDZ?
DMinus
10-13-2009, 11:50 AM
Maybe you're biased because you're hosted on the same server as the new site? :lol:
well duh. path of least resistance!
rolfmonster
10-13-2009, 11:56 AM
well duh. path of least resistance!
:rip::ballchain:
dis=c0!
10-13-2009, 11:58 AM
grrrr....no hot lesbo action choice on poll...grrr....
rolfmonster
10-13-2009, 11:58 AM
grrrr....no hot lesbo action choice on poll...grrr....
I'm sayin!!
Foster
10-13-2009, 12:00 PM
grrrr....no hot lesbo action choice on poll...grrr....
Ya...Poll fail
Fonzie
10-13-2009, 12:02 PM
What I'd like to know is why people like Eean and Digger feel the need to throw tantrums to focus attention on themselves when they have absolutely nothing to do with what is going on, and nobody cares what they are going to do about the split.
You guys are like the drunk girl at a party who barges her way into a conversation, hears the last few words of a sentence, and then jumps in with "OH YEAH I TOTALLY KNOW WHAT UR TALKING ABOUT LOLOLOL LET'S DO A SHOT"
You guys are like the drunk girl at a party who barges her way into a conversation, hears the last few words of a sentence, and then jumps in with "OH YEAH I TOTALLY KNOW WHAT UR TALKING ABOUT LOLOLOL LET'S DO A SHOT"
That's typically the girl I end up taking home at the end of the night. It's not really all that bad once you tune out her talking about her daddy issues and lack of self-esteem.
Fonzie
10-13-2009, 12:06 PM
That's typically the girl I end up taking home at the end of the night. It's not really all that bad once you tune out her talking about her daddy issues and lack of self-esteem.
:thumb:
:llama:
Brandon
10-13-2009, 12:09 PM
Digga? Whare?
Dammit! See, I'm all confused here. Is there some epic battle between Mike and Ricky that I'm too blind to see?
theory
10-13-2009, 12:12 PM
Brandon
go to unaudio.com
it will look familiar to you
;)
except with less current postings...
Sargasm
10-13-2009, 12:54 PM
What I'd like to know is why people like Eean and Digger feel the need to throw tantrums to focus attention on themselves when they have absolutely nothing to do with what is going on, and nobody cares what they are going to do about the split.
You guys are like the drunk girl at a party who barges her way into a conversation, hears the last few words of a sentence, and then jumps in with "OH YEAH I TOTALLY KNOW WHAT UR TALKING ABOUT LOLOLOL LET'S DO A SHOT"
Honestly it doesn't really matter to me that much. I just thought it was an obvious question that should be asked of the members (many of whom have been donors for the board).
I don't really see what this has to do with me getting attention.
Hell why do you post on a bulletin board? Is it so you can be ignored and isolated? No, it's because you want to post as part of a community.
IE, your argument is false and it's distracting from the point at hand. That point is that there are other opinions from legitimate members of the board.
I don't care if you deal with it or whatever, but I thought I would bring it up.
Sargasm
10-13-2009, 12:59 PM
Thank you, by the way, for recognizing that I am important.
I'd also like to point out that I'm smarter than you and I have better ideas.
That is all.
nommo
10-13-2009, 01:01 PM
you also have ricky's name tattood on your cock, but we love you anyway
you also have ricky's name tattood on your cock, but we love you anyway
man, i bet that's one tatoo they'll regret sometime in the future....
;)
Sargasm
10-13-2009, 01:13 PM
you also have ricky's name tattood on your cock, but we love you anyway
BTW, I've spoken with Ricky maybe 2 times ever.
I sent him a PM on UNnet before it went down because I had some fundraising ideas (which I never returned because I've been swamped and because I'm a douche) and then I messaged him telling him I felt for him somewhat because I know what a cliquish douchebag you can be.
Apart from that, I like the idea of there being two sites because the old one was stale as fuck. IMO a lot of what made it so stale was the poor/lack of moderation and a lack of interest in encouraging new posters (although I have seen some begrudging movement in that direction in recent months).
Regardless of anything, I am - once again - happy to provide the roll of vocal counterpoint to the parade of lock-step buddies that have known each other for a decade and have less interest in discourse than mutually masturbating each others' egos whilst maintaining a gloriously unsatisfying status quo.
The point I'm making here is I hope both parties are successful and I'd like to see the site here point to the other site so people at least know where the hell it is.
Both sites should stand on their own merits.
NEXT UP: Your faithful long time users.
While I understand this issue is complex, you might want to consider that they have a popular opinion that suggests they feel there should be some linking to the other site.
Personally I think it is telling that there is the juxtaposition of the site of the people for the people not asking what the hell they want. Somewhat correlary to the people's democratic republic of Sidewaysfive.net
nommo
10-13-2009, 01:23 PM
cliquish douchebag? hahahahah :)
budros
10-13-2009, 01:32 PM
i keep thinking this guy is going to have a point
just think where we would be now if we had spent all this time talking and no time doing in the weeks leading up to this
what, exactly, is it that you do then? and is it contributing here or just dredging the funk off the bottom of the lake?
this is an irrelevant discussion, but keep it up if it's making you feel good.
awaygirl
10-13-2009, 01:36 PM
i believe you continue to mistake yourself as having a say.
It really seems counterproductive to say stuff like this - and kinda defeats the purpose of saying that this site isn't about someone, but about a community. If people who contribute to the discussion are devalued - isn't that just propagating the supposed problems that resulted with unnet becoming 2 different sites? Unilateral decisions, not caring about what anyone else in the group said?
Erik Mitchell
10-13-2009, 01:37 PM
http://forums.unaudio.com/images/smilies/oddanime/blahblah.gif
http://forums.unaudio.com/images/smilies/oddanime/blahblah.gif
rolfmonster
10-13-2009, 01:39 PM
just think where we would be now if we had spent all this time talking and no time doing in the weeks leading up to this
to be fair, not saying its right or wrong:
we would still have a mobile site, that you could look at immediately to see what is going on tonight/tomorrow/nextweek (I used this as my main source for what was happening, followed by the events thread)
an events forum/calendar that works, and works well(can only say this about the front end)
a whole shit ton of traffic going to the site, still, showing colorado does, and will continue to have a huge scene, instead of pointing to sidewaysfive.net's front page, where you have to register for an another account
But Rolf, can't those things be added to this site?
budros
10-13-2009, 01:43 PM
to be fair, not saying its right or wrong:
we would still have a mobile site, that you could look at immediately to see what is going on tonight/tomorrow/nextweek
an events forum/calendar that works, and works well(can only say this about the front end)
a whole shit ton of traffic going to the site, still, showing colorado does, and will continue to have a huge scene, instead of pointing to sidewaysfive.net
to be fair rolf, and i'll stop after this;
you do not know what you're talking about. explanations, propaganda, and emotion got in the way of clarity here.
to be clear;
we enacted the equivalent of a business continuity plan after the equivalent of a malicious employee refused to participate in the necessary discussions to support moving forward together after said malicious employee, um, resigned.
nommo
10-13-2009, 01:45 PM
to be clear; what happened on sunday is exactly what buddy just stated.
rolfmonster
10-13-2009, 01:47 PM
But Rolf, can't those things be added to this site?
Oh quite possible, but I'm not an expert on vBulletin, ricky had to do quite a bit of custom work to make that the way it was.
nommo
10-13-2009, 01:54 PM
Oh quite possible, but I'm not an expert on vBulletin, ricky had to do quite a bit of custom work to make that the way it was.
dont think for a second that ricky was all 100% programming on that site, especially when it came to vb stuff. especially.
we can add unaudio, we can even dynamically get stuff to feed back n forth... will we? should we? does it do anybody anygood?
we'll see about all that...
Oh quite possible, but I'm not an expert on vBulletin, ricky had to do quite a bit of custom work to make that the way it was.
But I am sure that he isn't the *only* person who knows how to do that, right?
That's the problem with unique skills... tend to make people feel singularly responsible for the success of joint ventures. UGH. Hate this.
rolfmonster
10-13-2009, 01:57 PM
to be fair rolf, and i'll stop after this;
you do not know what you're talking about. explanations, propaganda, and emotion got in the way of clarity here.
to be clear;
we enacted the equivalent of a business continuity plan after the equivalent of a malicious employee refused to participate in the necessary discussions to support moving forward together after said malicious employee, um, resigned.
I wasn't meaning anything other than stating the facts of what is broken, and what I would like to personally see fixed? How do I not know what I'm talking about?
rolfmonster
10-13-2009, 01:59 PM
dont think for a second that ricky was all 100% programming on that site, especially when it came to vb stuff. especially.
we can add unaudio, we can even dynamically get stuff to feed back n forth... will we? should we? does it do anybody anygood?
we'll see about all that...
my apologies, I was under the belief that ricky did do all the work for the calendar/events/mobile events shit. I wasn't implying he was the only one in charge of that sort of stuff.
Soleil
10-13-2009, 01:59 PM
to be fair rolf, and i'll stop after this;
you do not know what you're talking about. explanations, propaganda, and emotion got in the way of clarity here.
to be clear;
we enacted the equivalent of a business continuity plan after the equivalent of a malicious employee refused to participate in the necessary discussions to support moving forward together after said malicious employee, um, resigned.
Ok this makes sense. I think I understand what happened now. Ricky made a threat to shut down, you guys came up with a plan in case he did, he did indeed shut it down and you guys acted yes?
Ricky's defense was, I was just moving the site not shutting it down but he didn't tell anyone.........is that pretty much it
BRING BACK CRYSTAL PEPSI!!!1!!ONE
rolfmonster
10-13-2009, 02:01 PM
But I am sure that he isn't the *only* person who knows how to do that, right?
That's the problem with unique skills... tend to make people feel singularly responsible for the success of joint ventures. UGH. Hate this.
absolutely not, I could whip out stuff like that as well, I'd offer, but I have no time, and my own sites to deal with.
budros
10-13-2009, 02:07 PM
rolf, i guess because you don't understand the implications of what i'm stating.... i don't mean any offense man, i just don't understand how continuing to have circular discussions about woulda coulda shoulda based on whatever BS gets posted in haste or hate or whatever on the internet helps anybody?
i think the physical results of all of this speaks for itself. we have provided a chance to start over. if you don't want to move forward, don't... it makes little difference. it's been stated before, i'll say it again; this isn't about any individual. the motivation here was to provide a surrogate for this community during the mayhem of a transition when we couldn't have the necessary collaboration with the necessary folks.
and, again, with bold..
we enacted the equivalent of a business continuity plan after the equivalent of a malicious employee refused to participate in the necessary discussions to support moving forward together after said malicious employee, um, resigned.
Foster
10-13-2009, 02:11 PM
sidewaysfive day care pleaze....just sayin
Soleil
10-13-2009, 02:12 PM
I don't think it's really circular discussion as much as getting a clear view on what happened.
Why didn't someone let us all know that we were going to be moving sites?
budros
10-13-2009, 02:14 PM
because none of us planned for it to happen like this
rolfmonster
10-13-2009, 02:19 PM
rolf, i guess because you don't understand the implications of what i'm stating.... i don't mean any offense man, i just don't understand how continuing to have circular discussions about woulda coulda shoulda based on whatever BS gets posted in haste or hate or whatever on the internet helps anybody?
i think the physical results of all of this speaks for itself. we have provided a chance to start over. if you don't want to move forward, don't... it makes little difference. it's been stated before, i'll say it again; this isn't about any individual. the motivation here was to provide a surrogate for this community during the mayhem of a transition when we couldn't have the necessary collaboration with the necessary folks.
and, again, with bold..
buddy, you asked where the site would be, had you guys not done anything.
I explained where from a technical standpoint, completely seperate from drama bs. Hell, if I could help out on the events/calendar side with programming, or anything php/mysql/linux/web events driven that could be of help, I would.
budros
10-13-2009, 02:23 PM
buddy, you asked where the site would be, had you guys not done anything.
i'm sorry; from a *purely* technical standpoint, i get you now...
the reason my business continuity comment / explanation applies then, is that, had we done nothing, we had no way to know that the 'technical existence' of the site would be able to continue, because we were not engaged in the changes being made, that, from a purely technical standpoint, required that level of collaboration in order to enact said changes.
i take it you work in IT, you use change control? ;)
rolfmonster
10-13-2009, 02:35 PM
i'm sorry; from a *purely* technical standpoint, i get you now...
the reason my business continuity comment / explanation applies then, is that, had we done nothing, we had no way to know that the 'technical existence' of the site would be able to continue, because we were not engaged in the changes being made, that, from a purely technical standpoint, required that level of collaboration in order to enact said changes.
i take it you work in IT, you use change control? ;)
I understand exactly what you're saying, and why it happened the way it did, and the "business logic" reasons behind it. I would have done the same thing. Yes, we use change control.
Guess I didn't realize it was such a sudden change, since unnet2.net and 2nnet.net have been around for over 2 weeks.. and registered same time as sidewaysfive.net
When we going with the Unnet throwback board?
I think it's time. That and a new redesigned logo ala Pepsi~Cola.
rolfmonster
10-13-2009, 02:43 PM
When we going with the Unnet throwback board?
I think it's time. That and a new redesigned logo ala Pepsi~Cola.
board theme better not be ugly ass brown and yellow like the broncos throwup.. err throwback
Jobin
10-13-2009, 02:45 PM
http://10.176.80.155/i37.tinypic.comm/1051hjr.jpg
shaggz
10-13-2009, 02:50 PM
What I'd like to know is why people like Eean and Digger feel the need to throw tantrums to focus attention on themselves when they have absolutely nothing to do with what is going on, and nobody cares what they are going to do about the split.
You guys are like the drunk girl at a party who barges her way into a conversation, hears the last few words of a sentence, and then jumps in with "OH YEAH I TOTALLY KNOW WHAT UR TALKING ABOUT LOLOLOL LET'S DO A SHOT"
That girls rocks I normally have her take two more!!
zach
budros
10-13-2009, 02:56 PM
Guess I didn't realize it was such a sudden change, since unnet2.net and 2nnet.net have been around for over 2 weeks.. and registered same time as sidewaysfive.net
for the record
i so wish that would've been a waste of money on registrations.
had this gone differently, none of you would even know these domains exist.
Brandon
10-13-2009, 02:58 PM
I'd like to see the old board saved as an archive forum, so the past 11 years of Colorado rave history can live on. Whatever happened to end the board isn't my concern.
budros
10-13-2009, 03:00 PM
couldn't agree more brandon.
cthabeerman
10-13-2009, 03:20 PM
I'd like to see the old board saved as an archive forum, so the past 11 years of Colorado rave history can live on. Whatever happened to end the board isn't my concern.
The old board is still there, in its entirety, still being utilized. There's no need for an archive because it's still alive. All 22,566 of your posts are there, ready to be reviewed or added upon.
forums.unaudio.com . No registration necessary.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y215/cortneyhead/johnny5isalive.jpg
Johnny 5 still alive!!
-C
joey murdah
10-13-2009, 04:54 PM
needs more input
s.p.e.c.t.r.e.
10-13-2009, 05:08 PM
The old board is still there, in its entirety, still being utilized. There's no need for an archive because it's still alive. All 22,566 of your posts are there, ready to be reviewed or added upon.
forums.unaudio.com . No registration necessary.
in its entirety? no, the history is still there, but what made it the UN left dude...
look guys, tho old board does not exist anymore. It may still look the same and have all your old posts, but what made it the UN, well, 90% of that moved here. Why the change happened doesn't really matter. what matters is where the people are....where the community is. Loyalty to Ricky or Michal makes no difference, its not about them. Im here because this is where submission is, where One Productions is, and now where BassLab is. In Real life these people are making shit happen on the regular, so when i want a forum to stay in touch with the happenings of the denver community, ill go where they go. thats really all that matters. If you're looking for a forum with great advice on how to set up a database or an events calendar, then the Unaudio site sounds like the place for you. I personally dont know/have not ever met Nommo or Ricky, and their beef is their beef, not mine. We can keep arguing about whats fair or what should have happened, but in the end none of that matters. shit has changed...its never gonna be like it was...move on.
Sargasm
10-13-2009, 05:27 PM
i keep thinking this guy is going to have a point
just think where we would be now if we had spent all this time talking and no time doing in the weeks leading up to this
what, exactly, is it that you do then? and is it contributing here or just dredging the funk off the bottom of the lake?
this is an irrelevant discussion, but keep it up if it's making you feel good.
The point is if this site is really in the best interest of the community, then stop being selfish with your unnet.net traffic and instruct those people on where to go to find their old posts.
If there is REALLY no ego here, it should be no problem.
That would put this board above the drama.
So there is a point to this discussion. Poll says my opinion is most popular. Do what you like.
s.p.e.c.t.r.e.
10-13-2009, 05:32 PM
The point is if this site is really in the best interest of the community, then stop being selfish with your unnet.net traffic and instruct those people on where to go to find their old posts.
If there is REALLY no ego here, it should be no problem.
That would put this board above the drama.
So there is a point to this discussion. Poll says my opinion is most popular. Do what you like.
dude, the cats that own this site, own the unnet.net domain...wtf is your deal? you know where the other site is, go there. They can do whatever the fuck the want with their domain. you want to determine whats on a given website then buy your own damn domian. Why you feel the need to tell people how they should handle their business baffles me. I have no beef with you Eean, you've always been straight up with me, but what you're doing here accomplishes nothing other than stoking flames on the fire.
cthabeerman
10-13-2009, 06:04 PM
in its entirety? no, the history is still there, but what made it the UN left dude...
look guys, tho old board does not exist anymore. It may still look the same and have all your old posts, but what made it the UN, well, 90% of that moved here. Why the change happened doesn't really matter. what matters is where the people are....where the community is. Loyalty to Ricky or Michal makes no difference, its not about them. Im here because this is where submission is, where One Productions is, and now where BassLab is. In Real life these people are making shit happen on the regular, so when i want a forum to stay in touch with the happenings of the denver community, ill go where they go. thats really all that matters. If you're looking for a forum with great advice on how to set up a database or an events calendar, then the Unaudio site sounds like the place for you. I personally dont know/have not ever met Nommo or Ricky, and their beef is their beef, not mine. We can keep arguing about whats fair or what should have happened, but in the end none of that matters. shit has changed...its never gonna be like it was...move on.
Going to respectfully disagree on some of this. The community is currently here because that's where the traffic is leading them. There's going to be plenty of people posting on both sites, once the unnet's following as a whole realizes that the other site still exists. "90% of that" community isn't here because they've come to a decision about which board they want to post on, they're here because this is where all the unnet links lead them.
Now, I'll never say that sub.mission, One Prod., Basslab, etc. aren't doing it on the regular, because they are. Across the board, they're doing things. Other crews are as well. And there's a whole lot of people not affiliated with any particular crew at all that are doing things, namely showing up to the these events. None of these events thrive without attendance.
In the end, it's extremely short-sided of any crew to just call it good and post one place and not the other. Just as it will be short-sided of any one person declaring they'll do the same. By doing so, you're basically stating that you're okay with missing out on something you would have liked because you've bought into all the drama, for whatever reason.
I'm not willing to do that. Even though it will likely be a pain, and I'll see the same shit posted in two places ALL THE FUCKING TIME, I'll still go to both. Otherwise, I'll feel like I've missed out on something that I might have gleaned some enjoyment from. That potential occurrence is what frightens me.
Believe it or not, 10 or so people who decided to make a fresh start does not comprise the whole scene, nor does their influence cover the entirety of what's available out there.
So, no, I won't simply throw my hands up in the air and blindly plow full-steam ahead with a bunch of changes that I didn't ask for. I know and respect the roots I've put in place, and I won't simply abandon them because that's what 10 people and their friends thought would be best for everyone.
While I've no doubts that the actions that took place were not malicious towards any particular group of people, I'm pretty sure those people didn't have me or the vast majority of the people currently posting here in mind when they made that decision.
It sure as hell doesn't benefit anyone to have to go two places. It doesn't benefit anyone to wonder if someone looks upon them negatively because they support one board or the other. Frankly, I fail to see how any of this benefits anyone, other than the 10 or so people who get their much-desired fresh start.
So, to all of you that made this decision, please tell each of us how we should expect to benefit from your decision.
-C
dis=c0!
10-13-2009, 06:22 PM
goddammit, where the fuck are the lesbians, i was promised hot lesbo action and i want hot lesbo action!!!!! fuck is that so hard!?
DMinus
10-13-2009, 06:53 PM
goddammit, where the fuck are the lesbians, i was promised hot lesbo action and i want hot lesbo action!!!!! fuck is that so hard!?
here ya go.
you can thank me later.
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B|n@Ry_B|n
10-13-2009, 06:53 PM
Fuck all this shit, I'm going to get on 4chan and fap for 16 hours
s.p.e.c.t.r.e.
10-13-2009, 07:13 PM
Going to ...
-C
my point C, is that the emotional attachment to a URL is silly. you dont HAVE to go both places, you can if you like. but ricky im sure is a good guy, but hes not actively keeping events going in denver. neither is Michael, but the core mods that were originally the ones to revolt ARE the people who are doing things.
Follow the people actually doing shit. where they go is whats important. I realize that these people are not the entirety of the scene, but whats done is done, they are here, the traffics here, and they are some of the core people that keep this scene strong and vibrant.
As far as whats fair or not, all is fair in love and war, and this has been both. From what I can tell Ricky said my way or gtfo ( abluff perhaps?), so they all gtfo(called his bluff perhaps?) and took what was theres with them. breakups suck but, It really doesnt matter. thats some personal beef that i have nothing to do with and this is a public forum that i rely on. They owned the domain, they owned the traffic that visits that domain, they are here...
I have continued to check the other board, Im in no way anti UnAudio, but whats left is not the UN. The UN is gone. The "scene" that supported them and did the behind the scenes work packed up and came here except for ricky. we can argue about how important those 10 people are but only if we also argue how important the 1 person on the other side is too, and both arguments would be silly.
As for how it will benefit you, well, do you want to know about events? the people actually producing/promoting events are for the most part here. The change happened because it had too, how would forcing things back like they were benefit you? how would only having unaudio benefit you? its not about you or Michael or Ricky or me or anyone else. Its about having a place to get the scoop on whats going on around town, and having a place to bullshit the hours away, and about sharing hot new mixes and new tunes and tips on making those mixes and tunes and lolcats etc...
maybe the better question is how can we the end users make the best of the situation? certainly trying to split the traffic out of fairness isn't the answer. bottom line Michael owned the domain, so he owned the traffic. fighting about whats done (and imo the smart business decision) accomplishes nothing.
anyway C, youz a pimp. Im just trying to put things in perspective. i know you and Ricky are tight and Im certainly not trying to persuade you to pick a personal favorite. I just think this whole argument is just focusing on the past instead of making the future better. As a user of the UN, im gonna move forward with the clean start and hope for the best. The UN has developed quite the reputation over the years anyway, so maybe a clean start is just what we needed. If we can accept the events that have happened and move on, put the negativity behind us and focus on a positive new beginning, maybe we can make sideways5 even better, more productive, and more popular than the original UN anyway. the more I think about it, the more a new site sounds perfect.
anyway, i think ive said my piece. :peace: yall can do what you like. But I hope you C and the others still on the fence or picking sides will get past your betrayed feelings and come to realize its not about picking sides or who did what. I want you all to know about my next show or a new mix or some stupid video i found and focusing on the past isnt gonna do shit for me.
Cha0s By Design
10-13-2009, 07:38 PM
http://i35.tinypic.com/11r80lz.jpg
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~!MjC!~
10-13-2009, 07:45 PM
You should add an option to the poll: "go fuck yourself Eean." I would have voted for that.
Sargasm
10-13-2009, 07:58 PM
dude, the cats that own this site, own the unnet.net domain...wtf is your deal? you know where the other site is, go there. They can do whatever the fuck the want with their domain. you want to determine whats on a given website then buy your own damn domian. Why you feel the need to tell people how they should handle their business baffles me. I have no beef with you Eean, you've always been straight up with me, but what you're doing here accomplishes nothing other than stoking flames on the fire.
Quite respectfully Reuben, I don't think that is the correct viewpoint.
If your position is that if I suggest an alternative then I am stoking flames in the fire, then only counter point is not to argue.
In other words your argument dictates that by suggesting another alternative I am inciting negativity.
This is simply not true. I am not Ricky's friend. It wouldn't kill me if all the boards were gone. I am simply stating what is logically the solution to an ethical problem raised by someone else's personal feud.
This is YOUR feud. Not the residents. Some of the residents may miss their old posts. The reason they aren't being linked to their old posts is because of a feud that is not there business.
Solution: Link them to their old posts freely and everyone can get on their way.
If linking them to the old board is such a threat to the integrity of this board, then this board needs to innovate better.
If people choose the old board because the event section is better, then people here have to step it up.
It's a fair and equitable solution to a problem that the residents didn't cause and may not be enlightened about. People that only come and post every couple months may lose touch with friends, may not be able to find their old posts, may not be able to find old info.
Solving that problem should be more important than holding something the moderators have control of over someone they feud with.
If they don't do it then this is the logical imperative:
The moderators on this board care less about the community and history that has been here for over 10 years than they do about proving a point.
s.p.e.c.t.r.e.
10-13-2009, 08:35 PM
Quite respectfully Reuben, I don't think that is the correct viewpoint.
If your position is that if I suggest an alternative then I am stoking flames in the fire, then only counter point is not to argue.
In other words your argument dictates that by suggesting another alternative I am inciting negativity.
This is simply not true. I am not Ricky's friend. It wouldn't kill me if all the boards were gone. I am simply stating what is logically the solution to an ethical problem raised by someone else's personal feud.
This is YOUR feud. Not the residents. Some of the residents may miss their old posts. The reason they aren't being linked to their old posts is because of a feud that is not there business.
Solution: Link them to their old posts freely and everyone can get on their way.
If linking them to the old board is such a threat to the integrity of this board, then this board needs to innovate better.
If people choose the old board because the event section is better, then people here have to step it up.
It's a fair and equitable solution to a problem that the residents didn't cause and may not be enlightened about. People that only come and post every couple months may lose touch with friends, may not be able to find their old posts, may not be able to find old info.
Solving that problem should be more important than holding something the moderators have control of over someone they feud with.
If they don't do it then this is the logical imperative:
The moderators on this board care less about the community and history that has been here for over 10 years than they do about proving a point.
you can formulate your own conclusions and logic if you like. Im trying to move on. The alternatives were considered and a decision was made. A decsion thats not your to make. Iits theirs to do with what they like. You're opinion based on your tiny slice of the details of what transpired does not matter. they feel their hand was forced into a new start and thats what they're sticking with from what i can tell. judge them if you choose, but as far as im concerned i just want a local forum that is easy to find, easy to use, and has traffic. If you think all these people dont have better things to do with their time and resources then "prove a point" then i think you sadly underestimate them.
Solution: Link them to their old posts freely and everyone can get on their way.
there are currently 20 posts that contain "unaudio.com" on this site that is only days old. So whats your argument again? they should link people to unaudio.com? seems thats been done. so really your argument is what?
again its theirs to do with as they wish, your perceived idea of whats fair has no bearing on the situation, and we should all be glad we have access to their freely provided service...and move on.
and if you dont like it i hear the old UN forum is still up at UNaudio.com (http://www.unaudio.com) ;) happy?
now quit purposefully causing a ruckus for attention ;) I know you have a firm grasp on public relations and how to promote yourself in a positive light. I then must assume you get into all this BS on purpose.
Sargasm
10-13-2009, 08:59 PM
you can formulate your own conclusions and logic if you like. Im trying to move on. The alternatives were considered and a decision was made. A decsion thats not your to make. Iits theirs to do with what they like. You're opinion based on your tiny slice of the details of what transpired does not matter. they feel their hand was forced into a new start and thats what they're sticking with from what i can tell. judge them if you choose, but as far as im concerned i just want a local forum that is easy to find, easy to use, and has traffic. If you think all these people dont have better things to do with their time and resources then "prove a point" then i think you sadly underestimate them.
there are currently 20 posts that contain "unaudio.com" on this site that is only days old. So whats your argument again? they should link people to unaudio.com? seems thats been done. so really your argument is what?
again its theirs to do with as they wish, your perceived idea of whats fair has no bearing on the situation, and we should all be glad we have access to their freely provided service...and move on.
and if you dont like it i hear the old UN forum is still up at UNaudio.com (http://www.unaudio.com) ;) happy?
now quit purposefully causing a ruckus for attention ;) I know you have a firm grasp on public relations and how to promote yourself in a positive light. I then must assume you get into all this BS on purpose.
This isn't about ruckus for attention. It was about pointing out the elephant in the room.
Yes there are posts RIGHT NOW about unaudio, but in a couple months will there be? As time goes and people point their browser to the url they're used to, they'll increasingly be unable to login and unable to find old info.
All that history has value and the mods care less about that than they do about holding onto their control.
If that weren't true, why aren't they just putting up a link on the main page?
Honestly I didn't START on a crusade, but as I've increasingly seen a huge contradiction in message and action, I decided to point it out.
I'm not a child, neither are the other board members so don't feed us shit and call it ice cream.
This board being isolated from the other is the end point realization of a personal vendetta by the moderators and nommo against ricky FOR WHATEVER REASON. The conclusion is the absolutely the same, no matter what the reasoning is, period.
If Ricky is a nazi and rapes children for fun, that doesn't change the reason there isn't crossposting, it's an action against him at the cost of the history of the community.
It isn't some magical laa laa land about no ego and the pursuit of peace for love's sake.
Frankly, I don't care if there is never a link placed on a home page or splash page, but don't feed the members of this board some bullshit by claiming this is entirely altruistic when at THE MOST BASIC FUNCTION this site is serving a vendetta.
I think we can agree this point has been talked to death. If the board doesn't crosslink, the members can just happily accept sidewaysfive as vendetta > history.
Sargasm
10-13-2009, 09:06 PM
I then must assume you get into all this BS on purpose.
Rueben, what POSSIBLE gain could I have from this?
It makes absolutely no sense that I would be doing this for gain. There isn't like an anti sw5 lobby.
Quite frankly I'm shocked that I have ended up as the most vocal supporter of the rights of old UN. It absolutely makes no sense.
The only reason I am doing it is because the hypocrisy of it all upsets me.
Sharpshooter
10-13-2009, 09:13 PM
We would gladly host an archieve of the old forum.
KayceeFace
10-13-2009, 09:15 PM
:tape2:shhhh
s.p.e.c.t.r.e.
10-13-2009, 09:22 PM
Rueben, what POSSIBLE gain could I have from this?
It makes absolutely no sense that I would be doing this for gain. There isn't like an anti sw5 lobby.
Quite frankly I'm shocked that I have ended up as the most vocal supporter of the rights of old UN. It absolutely makes no sense.
The only reason I am doing it is because the hypocrisy of it all upsets me.
who are you to determine what the mods care about? again, you dont have a clue what the story is behind all this. We all have picked up little pieces of rumor and innuendo and straight back n forth pretteen style bitch fests, but in the end neither you nor I know the whole story. So to draw conclusions judging morality when you know damn well theres some big gaps in your supporting evidence is just fucked and you know it. Could it possibly be that they have been locked out of the old forum and therefor are unable to meet you requests? Of course not, it HAS to be a vendetta against ricky...of course...
Eean, man, just relax. realize that its not a problem you can solve or have any control over. From what i understand they would if they could and ill leave it at that. If in 6 months someone isnt in the know its quite easy for them to ask and im sure someone would point them in the right direction. If you think you're upset about how this all went down, you should talk to the people that had to make the decisions. Its not like they purposefully said "hey, fuck 11 years of the history we've all worked hard for". Shit happens man and things dont always work out like they ethically or logically should.
Sargasm
10-13-2009, 09:26 PM
We would gladly host an archieve of the old forum.
I think that'd be a good move.
Sharpshooter
10-13-2009, 09:29 PM
We're not the ones you need to talk to about that.
Sargasm
10-13-2009, 09:30 PM
Eean, man, just relax. realize that its not a problem you can solve or have any control over. From what i understand they would if they could and ill leave it at that. If in 6 months someone isnt in the know its quite easy for them to ask and im sure someone would point them in the right direction. If you think you're upset about how this all went down, you should talk to the people that had to make the decisions. Its not like they purposefully said "hey, fuck 11 years of the history we've all worked hard for". Shit happens man and things dont always work out like they ethically or logically should.
I know that.
I don't live in a fantasy land either.
I've spoken my peace, I think I got my point across.
Regardless of how things work out, I do have a lot of respect and admiration of this place and it has provided me with ENDLESS insight into music that I love and a community. (even if my place in that community hasn't necessarily been group-hug-participant)
But the fallacy of the creation of the site and its failure to coexist with the other aspects of ITSELF upset me.
I really don't expect the powers that be to suddenly forgive and let go of their hurt feelings and sing some kumbaya shit.
Anyway... I'm done on the topic. Whatever happens happens.
RanThrive
10-13-2009, 10:15 PM
Whatever's clever :noidea:
dis=c0!
10-13-2009, 11:08 PM
fuck i just realized i threw my vote away on fapping and 4chan. this is like when i voted for nader. i feel so empty inside. :pout:
DMinus
10-14-2009, 07:08 AM
fuck i just realized i threw my vote away on fapping and 4chan. this is like when i voted for nader. i feel so empty inside. :pout:
don't worry. the people that voted for the viable candidates feel that way, too.
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