Ableton vs Serato

[MikeRobot]

http://ableton-serato.com/

Can't wait to see what it does.. This just might change some shit.

[DMinus]

bout time. buddy was telling me about this like over a year ago

[Jontron]

Very cool.. glad I will be ready for this technology. Kind of wish it would be ableton-traktor though ;)

[Alert]

...best of both together? Word. :)

[dis=c0!]

Very cool.. glad I will be ready for this technology. Kind of wish it would be ableton-traktor though ;)

psh, traktor doesn't need ableton. :D

[WAVERUNNER]

So now you will be able to control the bpm of ableton with a pitchfader on a 1200, and change loops with the track selector on the time vinyl. big woop. I think they should stay separate. Proov me wrong incestual software.

[MikeRobot]

So now you will be able to control the bpm of ableton with a pitchfader on a 1200, and change loops with the track selector on the time vinyl. big woop. I think they should stay separate. Proov me wrong incestual software.

Huh? No one knows yet what it's going to do.

[cardinal]

I'm with waverunner on this one.

and uh fyi ms pinky built a vinyl emulation device for live using max4live. abletonserato just done first?

[the drizzle]

oh wow. now people have to use LESS skill to play out.

hey look! he's pushing 2 buttons at ONCE

ZOMG!


fucking pansies. if you cant match 2 pieces of vinyl, you should STFU and stay home, imo.

when there is no risk factor, then i may as well just play CDs all night and call that a party.

i'll just get 6 locals to make me a CD, and then i'll just play them back to back.


i kind of just want to hit someone.

im looking at you, robot.

[MikeRobot]

im looking at you, robot.

Baggett's looking at me.

[DMinus]

not knowing the panty wad you two are in, i'll assume both of you are joking instead....

anyway it doesn't seem to be a vinyl replacement. i always assumed it was an ableton sync to vinyl so man#2 can rock samples and loops synced to the live turntable while man#1 mixes on said turntables, is it not? how is that less talented either way?

[the drizzle]

yes we are mostly joking. and i fear change.

i like to phuck with robot a little, only cuz i carez.

just so theres no confusion, i am a robot fan.

and he's right, and i gotta go do work.

[Daver]

well just look at what advantages something like serato or traktor has over ableton..........and that probably what it will do. for me the prep work involved in looping with ableton tends to be a hassle......i can think of a number of things that would have improved functionality with the union of these 2 programs

[Brandon]

Serato is for people that want to have the feeling of something turntableish under their fingertips.... if you don't care about that, you can do the same shit in Ableton that you can do in Traktor with a MIDI controller. Difference is with Traktor, you still have to beatmatch and beats can still squirrel up if you get lazy.

[Jontron]

Funny how beat matching is still an argument. In my opinion, theres a lot harder stuff to learn how to do to be a succesful producer/dj... beatmatching is pretty trivial these days.

[Brandon]

True, but it's fundamental to keeping a cohesive flow... if it's important to match beats in producing, so too should it be in DJing, no?

[dave]

Funny how beat matching is still an argument. In my opinion, theres a lot harder stuff to learn how to do to be a succesful producer/dj... beatmatching is pretty trivial these days.

so go pick up some records with a real live drummer and other musicians....

and ride that pitch.... :)

i hope that someday dance records go big budget again....

[dis=c0!]

man, if i'm not beatmatching, forget it, i might as well be checking my email up there. i get too bored and disconnected from it and ees no fun senor!

[Just Ben]

man, if i'm not beatmatching, forget it, i might as well be checking my email up there. i get too bored and disconnected from it and ees no fun senor!

That is exactly why I stopped using Ableton and went back to Serato..

However, I do find that I wish I could 'do more' (i.e. play loops, trigger samples, etc) on top of mixing but that gets overly busy really fast for 1 person and 2 laptops and it starts to reduce the over all quality of the mix.

I really like what DMinus was suggesting though, I really hope that is part of its intended design.

Even so the ability to use some ableton functions on top of mixing with Serato sounds fucking awesome to me..

[Jontron]

so go pick up some records with a real live drummer and other musicians....

and ride that pitch.... :)

i hope that someday dance records go big budget again....

Or pick up that record, prewarp it and save it in your library, and do more on stage while your not worried about your beats slipping.

I'm just saying, I'm tired of people bitching about new technology. Give me moar technology plzz

[dave]

Or pick up that record, prewarp it and save it in your library, and do more on stage while your not worried about your beats slipping.




how is the mix not going to slip if the actual drummer's track (pre-warped) is not 100% on time (perfect), and whatever you are trying to layer is 100% on time?

forgive me, I am not too familiar with digital DJing...

[Jontron]

put a warp marker every couple measures or as neeed... every drum hit won't match up "perfectly", but if it did it wouldn't sound like a live drummer anymore anyway.

[dis=c0!]

personally i also really enjoy the phasing and artifacts in sound that you get from actually beatmatching the records together-ride that pitch baby :love:...i also get a much larger sense of accomplishment and actually finding myself shouting hosannas of happiness sometimes :rockon: if i can run a mix for a long time during a breakdown and then when it all comes together with hotness i feel like i might just wet my pants for a second. :ohwell:

[Jontron]

you will be able to do all that and more with serato-ableton

you may need a few extra pair of boxers :thumb:

[dave]

you will be able to do all that and more with serato-ableton



i don't get the point, you go through all the trouble of loading your tunes in, and putting various markers throughout...

only to have it still not sound 100% on time, as would be expected, given a particular user uses records with real players performing on them....

seems like a lot of work for minimal gains...


granted, i do understand the upside if one used almost exclusively more modern music....

[Jontron]

i don't get the point, you go through all the trouble of loading your tunes in, and putting various markers throughout...

only to have it still not sound 100% on time, as would be expected, given a particular user uses records with real players performing on them....

seems like a lot of work for minimal gains...


granted, i do understand the upside if one used almost exclusively more modern music....

ehh... ? I think we are talking about two different things here man.... it would sound perfectly fine.

[dis=c0!]

you will be able to do all that and more with serato-ableton

you may need a few extra pair of boxers :thumb:

already can do all that and more with traktor scratch pro! i'm set! :D

[cardinal]

you guys should try dnb with ableton...

4/4 is pretty dull imho (with ableton), which is why I have serato and scratch pro on my lappy, but dnb? holy shit batman

think of it like this, you line up a techno track in ableton and the breakdown is about (ABOUT) 65 bars right? sometimes more, sometimes less.

load a dnb track in ableton and you will see pretty much the same structure, 65 bar drop, 133 or so breakdown 145-193 re-drop ISH... ( I just don't want you assholes arguing semantics with me)

now, 65 bars at 125 bpm is much longer than at 175. double dropping is like picking your nose with techno whereas with dnb, you have almost half the time to get the track going to sync up right.

with ableton I am doing quad drops with two more tracks breaking down and building up at the same time. I also have the intro of one track and the breakdown of another looping the entire time along with a clap or something moving along with it all... thats eight lights on my apc. (i've been into ableton now for 3 months, so please go easy)

anways

whilee that might not seem like much for a techno or house dj... thats HUGE for a dnb dj... I would say that dnb is amongst the most predicable forms of edm, due mostly to lack of (up until recently) producer want and need to move things forward. All of a sudden my phrasing is 4 or even 2, not 16 or 32. I find that I can't even predict exactly how the tracks are going to come together cuz I get so involved with 3 loops and 3 tracks and 3 eq's...

dunno, just a thought. I don't know if I can go back to dnb vinyl dj'ing, it just got so boring.

one thing I will agree with is that if I am not that busy, if there are only two lights lit on my apc, I am not into it like I was with decks. :(

[MikeRobot]

Even so the ability to use some ableton functions on top of mixing with Serato sounds fucking awesome to me..

Right? Obviously one feature will be incoporating ableton's effects with Serato's. Most techno DJs that are pro use 2 different cpus to achieve this.

T-minus 2 days to find out.

[the drizzle]

MATCH BEATS!
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:6OIbaHLP57tn_M%3Ahttp://www.rockcheetah.com/blog/images/statler-waldorf.jpg


http://www.popartuk.com/g/l/lghr17100+old-school-statler-and-waldorf-poster.jpg


(this is not directed to robot, but for me)

[zeno]

been waiting a long time for this...

[Jimeni]

^ yes. I have been patiently waiting for this as well and am very excited to see what it does.

[Erik Mitchell]

Should be interesting, though I would think that just having a sick midi controller paired with Ableton would be enough?

[DasUberOne]

what is ammobox anybody use it?

[zeno]

I can never remember how to embed video.

Some teaser info:

http://www.skratchworx.com/news3/comments.php?id=1396


Theres also a bunch of "leaked" images

http://onfinite.com/libraries/1473036/39f.jpg

http://twitpic.com/xs0cp


All will be revealed in detail tomorrow. Enjoy.

woot

[Jimeni]

I am a little skeptical on that first image. It looks like a 'chop where someone just added a third deck. But the twit pic looks very intriguing. Man, I am excited to see what is up. And to know how much $$ I need to save up as well.

[dis=c0!]

i was just curious, serato has the ability to punch in loops on the fly right? or does it? is the big thing about the ableton addition the effects, the looping, the ability to have several samples or loops at once, or all of the above? what is the procedure like in the latest ableton to start a loop, is it go in and edit or could you do it with a button press on the fly? just wondering if anyone has input, i bought ableton 5 but never upgraded beyond that...

[DasUberOne]

I know it's 9 loops you can save per track but I have never done it just read through the manual and didn't see a keyboard shorcut for it

[Daver]

ok so where is the info, no updates on either site.

[Jimeni]

i was just curious, serato has the ability to punch in loops on the fly right? or does it? is the big thing about the ableton addition the effects, the looping, the ability to have several samples or loops at once, or all of the above? what is the procedure like in the latest ableton to start a loop, is it go in and edit or could you do it with a button press on the fly? just wondering if anyone has input, i bought ableton 5 but never upgraded beyond that...

I can only speak about Serato as I am a noob on Ableton. But in Serato you can do on the fly loops of various lengths and you can permently save up to 9 per track. The way I do it is by MIDI controller where I have the loop length programmed to the pads and then can just easily set the loop length on the fly.

[microcosm]

i was just curious, serato has the ability to punch in loops on the fly right? or does it? is the big thing about the ableton addition the effects, the looping, the ability to have several samples or loops at once, or all of the above? what is the procedure like in the latest ableton to start a loop, is it go in and edit or could you do it with a button press on the fly? just wondering if anyone has input, i bought ableton 5 but never upgraded beyond that...
i just upgraded from live 7 to 8.1, so i'm just learnin' here. cool thing about the looper is that it can be controlled by a midi footswitch, activate the footswitch to control the record button in the looper. punch in once to record a loop, punch out and the sounds you just recorded will be looped and the looper will go to overdub mode and you can record on top of the first loop on the fly. punch in again and live will go to playback mode. you can keep punching in to activate overdub mode until the cows come home. you can also just use the sample loop button to loop up to 8 clips and preset the loop duration and position.

[zeno]

Oh this is neat.

http://www.poweronplay.com/rane-sixty-eight-mixer/


Two DJs can work in parallel and/or seamlessly transition from one DJ to another.

still waiting for info!! Not long now!!

[Daver]

Oh this is neat.

http://www.poweronplay.com/rane-sixty-eight-mixer/



still waiting for info!! Not long now!!

interesting.

Just checked out the info on "Bridge" still not entirely sure how this changes much for those of us already neck deep in Live. Guess i was hoping for a little bit more..........

[noktrnl]

didnt see this link posted


www.ableton.com/thebridge (http://www.ableton.com/thebridge)

[DMinus]

quote:

Control Live's tempo with Itch or Scratch Live
All the controls in the Serato user interface apply to the Live Set. Change the tempo of your Live Set, nudge the transport position and loop Live's transport, all from the comfort of your Serato Scratch Live or ITCH interface.

blizzow!

[zeno]

http://serato.com/scratchlive/2

[Botrytis]

Funny how beat matching is still an argument. In my opinion, theres a lot harder stuff to learn how to do to be a succesful producer/dj... beatmatching is pretty trivial these days.

I mean its a skill all of us digi ppl need to keep up on but really I learned how to do that in highschool... show me something different. Playing 2 $11 vinyl records in sync is pretty 1990... gotta keep it fresh with live remixes and stuff... I only wish I knew how to execute that better cause then I'd be rich.

I think its funny how any activity will eventually split into the people who want to see how far we can go and people who want to relive the "good ol' days" don't believe me?? ask your parents about when dylan went electric.

[the drizzle]

yes but doesnt it basically help you sync up tracks so that you have to do less work?

dylan didnt use a guitar that played itself.

[Erik Mitchell]

Haha this debate never gets old. ZOMG you have no skillz if you don't beatmatch, zomg you're just looking at a laptop, are you checking email up there?

Have fun living in the 90's while the rest of us evolve and challenge the boundaries of being a DJ

[Puff Powers]

Play original music on a laptop, an 8 track, an ipod or a flipping flinstones record player for all I care. as long as that shit is hot... I will Dance!

[Brandon]

meh. who gives a shit anymore. :D

[107]

I think some people who talk shit about Ableton have never taken the time to learn the program.

[Puff Powers]

I think some people who talk shit about Ableton have never taken the time to learn the program.
Winner! You are correct my friend:)

[cardinal]

ya its still just playing other peoples music...

unless of course you aren't....

as far as ableton/serato? you still have to know what its like to put a needle on a record in front of a crowd to use it...

[DMinus]

unless of course you aren't....


thats me.

[DMinus]

are you checking email up there?


thats me